Inktomi Alternatives

[saglobal]

I just submitted some sites to the Inktomi database using Trellian (https://submit-secure.vendercom.com) and it seems to have worked wonders. I am receiving some decent traffic and I believe Inktomi covers SE's like AOL, MSN and a few others.

I was wondering if there were any other services like Inktomi where I can submit the sites to one place and get them listed in multiple SE's without duplicating the Inktomi submissions.

[IamBen]

well, yahoo and a few (a lot actually) others use google - which I think is the best one :)

[saglobal]

I know google is a search engine itself, but is it a service like Inktomi?

[rmjvol]

Hi saglobal,

Welcome to HM.

There are several pay for spidering/inclusion programs out there that have similar characteristics to the ink program. But none with the reach that inktomi has as of 7/7/02. But it might change significantly any day. ;)

The closest is probably the deal that FAST offers. And then maybe Teoma. And you could also try LookSmar.... Oh wait, they're HORRIBLE. (http://forums.hmdns.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5241)

If you're looking to get maximum exposure for minimum "submission" work, try an ODP submission. Currently, an ODP listing will get you spidered (&/or included) with Google, alltheweb, netscape, aol and hundreds of smaller SE's & directories.

Just curious, didn't see your sanixay.com in the ink results. Was it the spyhear007 site that's pulling good ink traffic?

Good luck,
rmjvol

[saglobal]

What's ODP?

Yup, just spyhear007.com and beyondmorpheus.com, both affiliate programs. I ran into a friend a few weeks ago and he has like 5 affiliate and personal sites bringing in a few extra $k each month, so I thought I would give it a try. i'll be happy just to clear a $10 profit from them each month.

yeah, Sanixay.com is still having some DNS issues (I signed up under a different domain name and I'm waiting for HM to change it for me so I can get mail). I didnt really have any plans to go full blown with Sanixay.com, it was mostly just a way for some friends and I to host our sites. I had some free time last weekend so I put the site together in a hurry, it's not too bad though.. I can't believe I got the Perldesk working %100, also it's fully integrated with PayPal, but unless I can find a way to automate alot of things on it I won't be going public in the near future.

[Annette]

FYI, the name modification has already been made. I see the subdomains (ftp., www.) are not appearing yet, but the domain itself (domain.com) is.

[saglobal]

I just noticed that, thank you Annette :D

[rmjvol]

Just to clarify on the ODP submission suggestions.

It appears your sanixay.com site would probably qualify for a listing but the ODP does NOT accept submission of sites that are entirely or "primarily" affiliate sites. The definition of "primarily" varies from category to category but I don't think there's any point in submitting your spyhear or beyondmorpheus sites.

You can do a search in this forum on odp and get some useful information. Also, when you submit, make sure you take a few minutes to read the ODP submission guidelines and any FAQ that are on the category that you choose for submission.

rmjvol

[genaldi]

In general, how long does it take for sites entered on www.dmoz.org to be picked up by the other search engines as noted above?

I submitted manually to a bunch of sites weeks ago, and then about a week later I found out about the dmoz.org site so I submitted there also. My site shows up when searching for it on the dmoz.org site but I've yet to notice it come up on any other search engine.

I'm totally new to the search engine scene, so I'm sure just a little patience is need. I did notice on some of the places I manually entered it at weeks ago, that they don't guarantee it will be shown and even if it is, it can take months from what I recall some of them saying?

Thanks,

David

[rmjvol]

how long does it take for sites entered on www.dmoz.org to be picked up by the other search engines...? Nobody knows.

There are currently 255 known sites (http://dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Searching/Directories/Open_Directory_Project/Sites_Using_ODP_Data/) using ODP data. The ODP data is freely available to anybody that complies with the ODP licensing guidelines. For example, giving credit to the ODP & linking back to ODP. ODP doesn't dictate how often or even if a user has to refresh the data.

Most people are mainly interested in how often Google refreshes their ODP data as so much traffic come thru G. While there is no official schedule, Google usually updates the Google Directory (its copy of the ODP) every month or so. Depending on when you got listed in the ODP, it'll probably take 1-2 months from ODP listing for your site to be listed in the Google Directory.

Good luck,
rmjvol

[genaldi]

Thanks for the reply. I probably could of answered my own question by reading up a little more on the dmoz site :). We'll give it a while and see what happens with them.

How about the places where you have to pay to get submitted to their site, or the pay per click deals like Googles Ad words and such. Would you even bother with those or just stick to the freebies for now? I don't want to spend the money if I don't have to, but I would be willing to pay for something if I could get some good exposure.

Thanks again,

David

[rmjvol]

For many sites, pay for inclusion & pay for spidering are a good idea. It depends on alot of different factors.

You've got a very nice looking site. But it's not search engine friendly.

For instance, your naviagtion is not search engine friendly. So spidering SE's may not find all your pages. But if you pay, you can point them to all the pages. Or you could just use a different navigation technique.

Paying for keywords on google or overture can be very effective if you do it the right way. Or it can be just throwing money away. I don't think ValueWeb.com got a good ROI on the $7.89 they just paid to have me click their #1 Overture listing for "web hosting". They'd be better off paying me my usual fee of $250,000 for SEO consulting. That's what they'd probably blow on Overture in a couple months. It takes alot of sales to make up that kind of advertising expense.

But if you're selective about your keywords and how much you bid, pay per click CAN be effective. Even on a shoestring budget.

Drop me an email (ross@2thetopdesign.com) if you'd like some more input.

Thanks, Ross

[saglobal]

Hey,

Do you guys know how search engines and spiders handle flash? I'm looking to make a redirect page but I know search engines don't like meta refreshes, so I was thinking about adding some content and then having a little flash file at the bottom of the page to refresh to the new page after a few seconds.

[rmjvol]

Googlebot has had the ability to read links in flash since October. I've seen no evidence of the other majors being able to do that.

Hint: Just because they can follow the links does not mean that it's as good as having a good old fashioned text link.

rmjvol

[saglobal]

It's not actually a link, but more of a re-direct. Once the page loads it redirects to another.. search engines aren;t oo big on that kind of stuff. So I was thinking a flash redirect would be a better alternative to a meta redirect.